Everyone thinks Iran will nuke Israel if they get nuclear capability.
But consider this. Iran would much rather take credit for giving Israel back to the palestinians. I am sure they would want all those nice cities and resorts to be intact. Isreal is just too valuable a parcel of real estate to destroy.
Sunni kill more shia every year then both sides have ever killed Isrealis and shia know this full well. Muslims are forbidden to make war upon each other but both shia and sunni conveniantly think of the other as not really muslim. So there is no religious dogma preventing them from doing so.
Iran always wants to increase it's power in the reagion. What better way to do so then to knock out other influential countries. Countries with lands of no particualr interest to Tehran populated with sunni who kill shia all the time. They will threaten to use it against everyone but would only use it against Sunni dominated countries like Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
They know if they use it against a western country that would be the end of them. But they know if they use it against a muslim country they won't even get a slap on the wrist from the other states in the OIC.
Worst case scenario is that they could use it on a sunni muslim country but try to put the blame on Israel to create a pretext and galvanize the muslim world into attacking Israel in a conventional war. This is a very good reason to prevent them ever having any sort of nuclear capability.
So I doubt they would ever nuke Israel or a western country but be far more likely to Nuke a sunni country. The real power of a nuclear weapon is that everyone knows you have it and not in it's actual use. They will be more protected from invasion and will be more able to exert their will in the international community. That is to say they will use it to protect themselves and extort whatever they want from other countries.
Even though they won't nuke Isreal they must be prevented from gaining nuclear capability.
Thursday, September 30, 2010
Wednesday, September 22, 2010
more insight on the Muslim Brotherhood
An important point the memorandum cited says the muslim brotherhood wants to destroy america "by their hands" that means using american institutions to subvert america. The Muslim Student's Association is proven to be part of the subversion network.
Because this is CBN such reports can be dismissed as crying wolf or fear mongering. Notice though that the experts have worked with the US government and the material in this report is from the US government. It is a serious shame that too many liberal public interest groups get caught up in the disasterous political game of position. In the game of position politicals take the opposite side of the opposing party regardless of what they personally believe to be right, and then react.
Unindicted co conspiritor (like CAIR), means a group or person has been found by the government to be a part of a criminal conspiracy but the government hasn't gotten around to procecuting them yet.
Because this is CBN such reports can be dismissed as crying wolf or fear mongering. Notice though that the experts have worked with the US government and the material in this report is from the US government. It is a serious shame that too many liberal public interest groups get caught up in the disasterous political game of position. In the game of position politicals take the opposite side of the opposing party regardless of what they personally believe to be right, and then react.
Unindicted co conspiritor (like CAIR), means a group or person has been found by the government to be a part of a criminal conspiracy but the government hasn't gotten around to procecuting them yet.
Who are the violent protestors?
If you have heard reports about the mild violence at EDL protests in England look at the vid linked to at the bottom of this post.
First of all actual fighting only starts when large gangs of muslims attack those who are having a legal demonstration.
A few EDL and Stop Islamization of Europe people were going to protest at a Mosque in Harrow England. In responce a thousand muslims converged on Harrow. When only a few protestors showed up and were quickly removed by police the muslims ran amok, attacking police, the press and innocent bystanders. If you watch the video you will see projectiles thrown and hear car windows being smashed.
It was a calculated show of violence and intimidation to make protestors and police afraid to allow future protests against Islamic supremasists. When you hear negative things about people standing up to Islamic Supremacists in Europe and America remember this video.
Here is the vid Muslims attack bystanders and press at Harrow 11/09/09
And this one of a london protest in 2009 Islamists rioting in London - 2009 Palestine protests
It was a vid made by a Pro Hamas protestor and cannot be refuted. They chased the police and called them faggots, pussys, cowards, and kufars while throwing missiles at them and laughing. There can be no doubt they were trying to instigate violence while at the same time their strategists knew the police wouldn't actually fight back if the physical violence was only ratcheted up to a certain point. The other intent was to make the government afraid to do things in future that would cause events like this. They said it was about palestine but you can see from their strategy that they were full of shit. They were trying to make it like the anti cartoon riots. A threat that can be used in future to intimidate the government.
At one point bunch of them gang up on a police officer and when other police come to his rescue the muslims shout "Racist Cops! Racist Cops!" This is a specific strategy they use in confrontations in the west and like much Islamist trickery it has been thought out by their experts and has multiple intimidation purposes at the same time. It's always done when the person they are attacking responds or stands up to them. It makes the victim pause, it switches the identifications of agressor and victim in order to set up a confusion loop so the thinking and responce of the real victim will be hindered. It also makes the police afraid to respond in case camera footage will be manipulated to make them look racist and further inflame the radicals.
Think I'm Lying? Look here Homophobic Harassment During Gay Pride
In this vomitous display some American gay men were coming from a pride march in minnesota. A local "moderate and All American" mosque was holding an anti gay rally. As they passed it these muslim kids were sicced on them in a large group. The kids followed them yelled out cries from thier anti gay demonstration called them names and threw things at them. When one of the men responds with "you have problems" the gutter scum immediately squeal "what did you say about black people? RACISTS! RACISTS!". It's the same evil tactic we have evidence of on both sides of the Atlantic and the kids were obviously instructed to do it by someone. If you listen carefully you will never hear their victims say anything other then "you have problems".
Note that these are children the organizers sicced on grown men. If the guys had physically defended themselves the muslim protestors story would have been "Adult White Men Commit Hate Crime Against innocent Muslim Children." And don't you think for a second they wouldn't. Muslims ALWAYS use the victimization of their children for propoganda. If the victims don't respond the muslim story is "see how afraid of us they are" and if they do it's "look how those horrible Americans beat up our innocent children".They used an act of aggression in a (failed) attempt to perpetuate the narrative of victimhood and to incite more muslim violence. That's what this video is really about and why it's significant.
Also note that in vids like this muslims always pick people they think are incapable of defending themselves - just like Nazi thugs did before the war. It is cowardess disguised as strength. Fortunately these guys were smart and civilized in how they treated the situation.
First of all actual fighting only starts when large gangs of muslims attack those who are having a legal demonstration.
A few EDL and Stop Islamization of Europe people were going to protest at a Mosque in Harrow England. In responce a thousand muslims converged on Harrow. When only a few protestors showed up and were quickly removed by police the muslims ran amok, attacking police, the press and innocent bystanders. If you watch the video you will see projectiles thrown and hear car windows being smashed.
It was a calculated show of violence and intimidation to make protestors and police afraid to allow future protests against Islamic supremasists. When you hear negative things about people standing up to Islamic Supremacists in Europe and America remember this video.
Here is the vid Muslims attack bystanders and press at Harrow 11/09/09
And this one of a london protest in 2009 Islamists rioting in London - 2009 Palestine protests
It was a vid made by a Pro Hamas protestor and cannot be refuted. They chased the police and called them faggots, pussys, cowards, and kufars while throwing missiles at them and laughing. There can be no doubt they were trying to instigate violence while at the same time their strategists knew the police wouldn't actually fight back if the physical violence was only ratcheted up to a certain point. The other intent was to make the government afraid to do things in future that would cause events like this. They said it was about palestine but you can see from their strategy that they were full of shit. They were trying to make it like the anti cartoon riots. A threat that can be used in future to intimidate the government.
At one point bunch of them gang up on a police officer and when other police come to his rescue the muslims shout "Racist Cops! Racist Cops!" This is a specific strategy they use in confrontations in the west and like much Islamist trickery it has been thought out by their experts and has multiple intimidation purposes at the same time. It's always done when the person they are attacking responds or stands up to them. It makes the victim pause, it switches the identifications of agressor and victim in order to set up a confusion loop so the thinking and responce of the real victim will be hindered. It also makes the police afraid to respond in case camera footage will be manipulated to make them look racist and further inflame the radicals.
Think I'm Lying? Look here Homophobic Harassment During Gay Pride
In this vomitous display some American gay men were coming from a pride march in minnesota. A local "moderate and All American" mosque was holding an anti gay rally. As they passed it these muslim kids were sicced on them in a large group. The kids followed them yelled out cries from thier anti gay demonstration called them names and threw things at them. When one of the men responds with "you have problems" the gutter scum immediately squeal "what did you say about black people? RACISTS! RACISTS!". It's the same evil tactic we have evidence of on both sides of the Atlantic and the kids were obviously instructed to do it by someone. If you listen carefully you will never hear their victims say anything other then "you have problems".
Note that these are children the organizers sicced on grown men. If the guys had physically defended themselves the muslim protestors story would have been "Adult White Men Commit Hate Crime Against innocent Muslim Children." And don't you think for a second they wouldn't. Muslims ALWAYS use the victimization of their children for propoganda. If the victims don't respond the muslim story is "see how afraid of us they are" and if they do it's "look how those horrible Americans beat up our innocent children".They used an act of aggression in a (failed) attempt to perpetuate the narrative of victimhood and to incite more muslim violence. That's what this video is really about and why it's significant.
Also note that in vids like this muslims always pick people they think are incapable of defending themselves - just like Nazi thugs did before the war. It is cowardess disguised as strength. Fortunately these guys were smart and civilized in how they treated the situation.
Tuesday, September 21, 2010
England Enforces Pure Sharia. Muslims are allowed to do what the English cannot.
It's all there in Muhammad's Trilogy of Terror (The Koran, the Hadith and the Sira). More rights for muslims then for non muslims.
Vlad Teppes posted a pair of videos at his blog that can be seen on youtube. The first is of a man being stopped by a police officer, who may or may not be muslim, from burning a Koran. He is admonished that he can be "done" for inciting racial hatred. Which race was the cop talking about? Moroccan? Lybian? Saudi Arabian? Pakistani? Thai? Malaysian? Indonesian? If Muslim is a race then so are American and English as both those groups are composed of people of different races.
A small ways away a group of muslims, surrounded by their ennablers in the press, chant "Queen and Country go to hell" while they burn an American flag. Why aren't they arrested? If Islam, a religion of many races, is now legally a race in England then so is American and British and the muslim flag burners HAVE TO BE ARRESTED FOR INCITING RACIAL HATRED of Americans and British. It's all there on video.
I've seen both posts previously and commented extensively on youtube but Vlad made a post about it first so I will link to him rather then copy him. Vlad Teppes UK police stop people from burning a page of Koran while American and UK flags burn
Vlad Teppes posted a pair of videos at his blog that can be seen on youtube. The first is of a man being stopped by a police officer, who may or may not be muslim, from burning a Koran. He is admonished that he can be "done" for inciting racial hatred. Which race was the cop talking about? Moroccan? Lybian? Saudi Arabian? Pakistani? Thai? Malaysian? Indonesian? If Muslim is a race then so are American and English as both those groups are composed of people of different races.
A small ways away a group of muslims, surrounded by their ennablers in the press, chant "Queen and Country go to hell" while they burn an American flag. Why aren't they arrested? If Islam, a religion of many races, is now legally a race in England then so is American and British and the muslim flag burners HAVE TO BE ARRESTED FOR INCITING RACIAL HATRED of Americans and British. It's all there on video.
I've seen both posts previously and commented extensively on youtube but Vlad made a post about it first so I will link to him rather then copy him. Vlad Teppes UK police stop people from burning a page of Koran while American and UK flags burn
Response to Imam Rauf Exposed: Off Mic
I just saw the youtube vid Imam Rauf Exposed: Off mic and had a lot to say.
It doesn't show him to be a sinister nazi creep as people were posting. It did show that he is far more interested in political strategy then religion. To this end he fosters relationships with powerfull people in order to use them in his machinations. He is also interested in altering public perception. Fine and dandy for a political but a bit much for a simple Imam.
Is this how the pro rally that was organized by a former attorney general and comprising several socialist groups was organized? Did Rauf and The Cordobists (nice one, eh?) develop relations with socialist groups or with people who could deploy socialist groups so they could be put into action with signs decrying islamophobia and racism when needed? It sounds pretty tin hatty to me but listen to what he said and look at the pro mosque protest on 9/11/10.
The young socialists and other socialist groups are all nice, well meaning, sincere people who are legitimately concearned about racism and social fairness. HOWEVER I knew such groups back in my student days and it is very easy to manipulate and use them and get them to protest when you frame an issue correctly (and have cool hair - and if your clothes look like something a krautrock band would wear you're in like flint). Rauf here says he strategizes in terms of perception and makes connections with people to use them.
I saw advertisements before the protests calling for people to join the Pro protest framing the issue as one of racism against all muslims that would quickly turn into genocide. This would make the student socialists think it was important to protest and I say good for them for doing so. HOWEVER they were cynically used by people who know it's not about racism at all. For the organizer, a man who fields astroturf protests for a living, it was about a paycheck.
Like The Muslim Brotherhood and their student group the Muslim Student Association, he supports Hamas instead of the secular leaders in palestine. Saying that the US should engage them or it would drive them into engagement with Syria or Iran. A statement that is at once begging and threat. Kind of similar to his statement on Larry King that if we made him move his mosque then the radicals would attack Americans traveling abroad.
And Finally: Who are the "We" he talks about in the Cordoba Innitiative work? He is the one visible to the public but who are the hidden Cordobists and to what other groups have they belonged?
That sounds like McCarthyism, I know, BUT what people often fail to mention is that McCarthy was actually right. There had been a major Soviet campagn of influence and subversion in America. Except it had been in the 1930's and not the 1950's and those people had been found out and arrested. Soviets kept it up to a smaller degree all thruought the Cold War right up to the end of the Soviet Union. This isn't anti red hysteria - It's what ex Soviets and Soviet era documents have said after the Soviet Union was disbanded and before Putin got into power and started restricting access to archives again. It turned out that the Commo-phobics hadn't been so phobic after all.
The Muslim Brotherhood and Al Quida are not the new "Red Meanace" boogeymen. They are people who have learned from history how to strategize. If a group used espionage and subversion techniques in the past you can bet your bippy that Al Quida and The Muslim Brotherhood know about it. And the web of Muslim Brotherhood groups in the US is exactly like the web of Soviet fielded groups in America during the Cold War. Both create multiple groups with members migrating between those groups in order to make them difficult to examine. Watch a youtube vid about it here The Muslim Students Association and the Jihad Network
It doesn't show him to be a sinister nazi creep as people were posting. It did show that he is far more interested in political strategy then religion. To this end he fosters relationships with powerfull people in order to use them in his machinations. He is also interested in altering public perception. Fine and dandy for a political but a bit much for a simple Imam.
Is this how the pro rally that was organized by a former attorney general and comprising several socialist groups was organized? Did Rauf and The Cordobists (nice one, eh?) develop relations with socialist groups or with people who could deploy socialist groups so they could be put into action with signs decrying islamophobia and racism when needed? It sounds pretty tin hatty to me but listen to what he said and look at the pro mosque protest on 9/11/10.
The young socialists and other socialist groups are all nice, well meaning, sincere people who are legitimately concearned about racism and social fairness. HOWEVER I knew such groups back in my student days and it is very easy to manipulate and use them and get them to protest when you frame an issue correctly (and have cool hair - and if your clothes look like something a krautrock band would wear you're in like flint). Rauf here says he strategizes in terms of perception and makes connections with people to use them.
I saw advertisements before the protests calling for people to join the Pro protest framing the issue as one of racism against all muslims that would quickly turn into genocide. This would make the student socialists think it was important to protest and I say good for them for doing so. HOWEVER they were cynically used by people who know it's not about racism at all. For the organizer, a man who fields astroturf protests for a living, it was about a paycheck.
Like The Muslim Brotherhood and their student group the Muslim Student Association, he supports Hamas instead of the secular leaders in palestine. Saying that the US should engage them or it would drive them into engagement with Syria or Iran. A statement that is at once begging and threat. Kind of similar to his statement on Larry King that if we made him move his mosque then the radicals would attack Americans traveling abroad.
And Finally: Who are the "We" he talks about in the Cordoba Innitiative work? He is the one visible to the public but who are the hidden Cordobists and to what other groups have they belonged?
That sounds like McCarthyism, I know, BUT what people often fail to mention is that McCarthy was actually right. There had been a major Soviet campagn of influence and subversion in America. Except it had been in the 1930's and not the 1950's and those people had been found out and arrested. Soviets kept it up to a smaller degree all thruought the Cold War right up to the end of the Soviet Union. This isn't anti red hysteria - It's what ex Soviets and Soviet era documents have said after the Soviet Union was disbanded and before Putin got into power and started restricting access to archives again. It turned out that the Commo-phobics hadn't been so phobic after all.
The Muslim Brotherhood and Al Quida are not the new "Red Meanace" boogeymen. They are people who have learned from history how to strategize. If a group used espionage and subversion techniques in the past you can bet your bippy that Al Quida and The Muslim Brotherhood know about it. And the web of Muslim Brotherhood groups in the US is exactly like the web of Soviet fielded groups in America during the Cold War. Both create multiple groups with members migrating between those groups in order to make them difficult to examine. Watch a youtube vid about it here The Muslim Students Association and the Jihad Network
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